domingo, 6 de enero de 2008

Debates en Manchester

Esta pasada noche se han celebrado en New Hampshire dos debates -uno republicano y otro demócrata-, uno detrás de otro, y organizados por las cadenas ABC y WMUR . No pude seguirlos pero os dejaré muestras de lo que se dice en los medios especializados. Sentados alrededor de una mesa, los debates trataron de profundizar en políticas específicas, campo abonado en principio para Hillary Clinton entre los demócratas -aquí tenéis algunas citas de los diferentes candidatos. La Senadora trató de atacar la falta de sustancia de Obama, pero este encontró en John Edwards un aliado con el que formar equipo y hacer fuerza contra Hillary. En el lado del GOP, Mitt Romney trató de hablar de los asuntos, pero sus rivales quisieron hablar de Mitt Romney. Todos, salvo Ron Paul, le golpearon, poniendo de manifiesto que su publicidad negativa de las últimas semanas lo ha alienado de sus compañeros. Todos ellos lo odian. Y una de esas frases típicas de Mike Huckabee: "Americans are tired of everything being horizontal, they want things to be vertical, up and down"...
Para ver los videos del debate.

Lo que se dice sobre los Demócratas

(...) Hillary Clinton took two steps forward in the Democratic debate here Saturday night and just one step back.

So score her at plus one.

Searching for a way to attack the likability of her Democratic opponents without seeming unlikable herself, she hit on a nifty strategy: She attacked a once-likable Republican, George Bush.

“In 2000 we, unfortunately, ended up with a president who people said they wanted to have a beer with,” Clinton said. “And, you know, at least I think there are the majority of Americans who think that was not the right choice.” (...)
- Politico

(...) Sen. Barack Obama got some unexpected help during a heated exchange with Sen. Hillary Clinton in tonight's debate, from former Sen. John Edwards, who snatched second place from Clinton in Iowa's caucus.

Comparing her to the "forces for status quo," Edwards said that Obama "believes deeply in change, and I believe deeply in change. Anytime you speak out for change, this is what happens. The forces for status quo are going to attack."

Edwards also defended Obama against Clinton's charge that Obama has switched his positions on health care and the Patriot Act. "To say that Barack Obama is having an argument with himself is not fair." (...)
- ABC News

(...) With the New Hampshire primary two days away, Mrs. Clinton found her courage, likability and judgment questioned. But she fought back as she did when she was first lady of Arkansas and of the United States — with defiance and flashes of anger, pursing her lips, stiffening her back and staring intently at her rivals.

When it became clear that Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards, sitting side by side across from her, were teaming up, Mrs. Clinton sat up and pulled her coat tight as if preparing for battle.

(...) Advisers to Mr. Edwards and Mr. Obama said late Saturday night that they had not formally agreed to attack Mrs. Clinton. They said it was a natural coincidence since both men are running as agents of change — and since Mr. Edwards, who was counting on a victory in Iowa, is looking for ways to set up a battle between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, with him on the sidelines as the winner. (...)
- New York Times

(...) The debate was rich in sound and fury, but did little lasting damage to unruffled frontrunner Barack Obama.

(...)While featuring moments of intriguing drama, the final Democratic debate before the New Hampshire primary did not in itself change the contours of the race. (Truth-in-journalism disclosure: All verdicts rendered in a press room late at night always should be considered tentative). Clinton's critiques of Obama, which had been advertised in get-ready-for-this fashion by her campaign since her third-place finish in Iowa, turned out to be little more than a series of charges that the first-term Illinois senator had been (gasp!) a sometime flip-flopper. Since Saturday was Fight Night on ABC -- and the undercard GOP debate featured withering attacks on the zigzagging Mitt Romney -- Obama's sins of inconsistency seemed minor in comparison. (...)
- Walter Shapiro

(...) Fighting for her political life, Hillary Rodham Clinton charged Barack Obama with peddling "false hopes" and unrealistic promises of wholesale change in the last debate before Tuesday's fateful New Hampshire primary

It remains to be seen how voters will respond to Clinton's bruising performance, as fiery and unrestrained as any during her yearlong campaign.

"Words are not action . . .as beautifully presented and passionately felt as they are," Clinton said of Obama's widely praised speaking style. "What we need to do is to turn talk into action and feeling into reality." (...)
- Newsday

Lo que se dice sobre los Republicanos

(...) But I saw that as a pretty bad night for Mitt Romney. I think he was outflanked on immigration by McCain and Giuliani -- that's not easy to do. And you can tell that nobody on that stage likes him. He's a frontrunner here, so he can expect the heat, but so is John McCain, and yet everyone rushed to defend McCain and attack Romney. Why would Romney say he likes mandates? How could he have let Fred Thompson best him on a debate over healthcare? Just a few of the many questions he's going to have to sort out, against the backdrop of some McCain momentum in New Hampshire. (...) - ABC News

(...) Wow, do these candidates have it in for Romney; the whole field seems to be jumping on the bandwagon of trying to end Romney's campaign as quickly as possible. What message to New Hampshire voters get when every single candidate on stage, from McCain to Huckabee to Thompson to Giuliani and Paul have beefs with Romney. How does Romney win this nomination when he's got opponents so vehemently against him? As I said before, McCain and Romney are in a single elimination tournament in New Hampshire; loser goes home and the field knows that they probably can't win a 1-on-1 with Romney because of his resources but Romney will be basically toast on Wednesday if he loses to McCain, particularly if he loses by a lot. He'd be the first Massachusetts favorite son to lose the New Hampshire presidential, I believe, ever. (...) - MSNBC

(...) Former governor Mitt Romney (Mass.) came under repeated assault from his rivals for the nomination in tonight's Republican debate, creating a gang-up effect that made it difficult for him to score the points he needed to make up ground on Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) here in New Hampshire.

The second half of the 90-minute debate was dominated by a heated discussion between Romney and McCain over illegal immigration -- the touchstone issue for conservatives not only in New Hampshire but nationwide. (...)
- The Fix

(...) There are a couple of especially useful tools when under the kind of attack Romney had directed at him tonight—humor and/or outrage. Romney didn't deploy either of them, either because they are not readily at his disposal or because he had made a strategic choice not to. What he had instead was a command of policy details and an incredibly even temperament. Both are important and admirable qualities, but probably not sufficient when people are questioning your character. I could be wrong and maybe the after-debate over the debate will bounce in an unexpected way, but I think Romney had a tough night. (...) - Rich Lowry

(...) This was a helpful debate for the man who probably had the least to gain from it: John McCain. He was funny, spirited and seemed well-informed. Even in the squabbles in the group he seemed like the adult in the room.

In what had to be one of the most important moments of the night, Mitt Romney gave John McCain credit for the political courage he showed in pushing the surge when it wasn't popular. This comes after two weeks of back-and-forth between the campaigns and three days before the New Hampshire primary critical to both men.

McCain did not return the love. He dinged Romney with several very effective one-liners, including a couple in which the cutaway shots had Romney looking nonplussed. Among them: On Romney's claims that McCain supported Social Security benefits for illegal immigrants: "You can spend your whole fortune on those attack ads, my friend, but it still won't be true." On Romney's claims that he is the candidate of change, McCain took a shot at his flip-flops: "We disagree on many issues but I agree that you are the candidate of change." And on Romney's claim that he was misquoted in an AP story: "When you change your positions as often as you do, you will get misquoted from time to time." He did these things with a smile on his face, which kept him from appearing nasty. (...)
- Weekly Standard

1 comentario:

George Vreeland Hill dijo...

The Republican Party is a sick joke, and the people of this country are fed up with them.
From Nixon to Bush, and from Scooter to Larry "Toilet Stall" Craig, the Republicans have proven themselves to be a bunch of lying, corrupt, evil, perverted, over-spending crooks.
When you look at all the money Bill Clinton left this country, it makes us all cry to know that Bush spent it all.
When the money was gone, Bush went to China for help.
Just think, we owe money to China!
That is the Bush way.
Cheney is no better.
You can't trust either of them.
No one does.
Why are we in Iraq?
The war should be on terror, not in Iraq.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and yet Bush has spent all that money to fight "his" war.
Yes his, because many Republicans have backed off from the war.
By the way, the war in Iraq has cost the U.S. almost five hundred billion dollars.
Forget Rudy.
Rudy Giuliani is no hero.
While he is often called the hero of 9/11, the truth is that Rudy was a terrible leader during his years as mayor of New York City.
He made bad decisions and took a girlfriend while being married.
In fact, he even wanted his lover to live in the same house with his wife.
Most people would call this perverted.
New Yorkers were so sick of his antics, that they wanted him out of office.
Then came 9/11.
The only reason people call Giuliani a hero today, is because he just happened to be NYC's mayor during that bad time.
Any mayor would be looked at as a hero if they showed their face under those circumstances.
If there was no 9/11, Rudy would have become a joke.
This is not the kind of leader we want in the White House. In closing, the New York Post reported in their paper on April 23, that Giuliani spent more than $48,000 dollars of campaign money on posh hotels while claiming to have spent the least of all the Republican candidates.
Rudy is a good time leader, and does it with other people's money.
Forget Mitt.
His ads look bad.
He can't seem to get his facts right, and will say things to make himself look good.
Red flags go up around him.
I spoke with his son Tagg at the New Hampshire debates back in June (2007), and while he seemed like a nice man, Tagg could not get his facts right either.
The worst Republican as of late, though, is Larry Craig.
He is a lying pervert who wanted gay sex with a strange man on a dirty toilet seat.
He pled guilty, then said he was not guilty.
Say what?
He is another Republican moron.
Did you hear about Washington State Republican Rep. Richard Curtis?
He offered $1,000 to a young man for unprotected sex while dressed in women's lingerie.
This sort of thing just goes on and on with them.
Remember Mark Foley?
Here is a letter I wrote that was in many newspapers and Web sites:

Once again, the Republicans have turned my stomach with shocking and repulsive behavior.
Mark Foley, a Republican member (now ex-member) of Congress, has sent many e-mails with perverted sexual content to a sixteen year old boy.
This is the same man who while in Congress, backed a bill that was meant to protect children from child predators.
Foley himself, is a man who preyed on a child with lust.
What is also incomprehensible, is the fact that some Republicans knew of Foley’s behavior, and yet, did not take a hard stand against this until it became public news. If I had a teenage son and/or daughter, I would not want them to go near any Republican leader for fear of either or both becoming a victim of a sick Republican pervert.

George Vreeland Hill

There were more than three hundred such letters in newspapers in 2007 alone.
Many of them in New Hampshire.
There are thousands on the Internet.
No lie.
THOUSANDS!
This does not even include articles, ads, radio, TV and other areas where the public takes notice.
In fact, one Republican in California wanted me stopped once, because I was hurting some Republicans in their elections.
I just want to do my part in helping to get rid of every Republican scumbag.
From phone scams to the Union Leader (NH) covering up for Republicans, the garbage never ends.
But the Republican Party will end.
Did you know that George W. Bush once made fun of the issue of Weapons of Mass Destruction?
He did, and in front of some shocked people during a black-tie event in 2004.
He said.... (While looking under a piece of furniture) "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere."
Then, while pretending to look out of a window, Bush laughed as he said..... "Nope, no weapons over there."
While he was laughing, there were men and women fighting and dying in Iraq because of WMD.
George W. Bush should be removed from office because of that alone.
Face it, Bill Clinton lied about having sex, and was impeached because of it.
George W. Bush however, did far worse, as he laughed at the very people who are fighting for the United States of America!
That about sums it all up!
(By the way, this Bush/WMD was part of an article and letter I wrote as well.)
This leads us to John McCain.
All he seems to do is attack other candidates.
His Woodstock ad against Hillary Clinton was boring and without the facts.
He tells of Hillary wanting to spend a million dollars on a museum while he (McCain) supports spending more on the war in Iraq.
He wants you to believe that the Democrats are the big spenders, while it is McCain's Republican Party that has spent all the money Bill Clinton left us to a point where Bush had to borrow money from China.
Think about that again.
We owe to China.
That is the Republican way.
Also, it must be noted that McCain even laughed at war.
Remember when McCain changed the words of a Beach Boys song to Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran?
McCain even laughed when he was done.
He thought starting a war with Iran was a laughing matter.
That is the real John McCain.
He just can't be trusted.
He is another George Bush, and you know what we got with him.
The Republican Party is a mess, and getting worse.
People do not trust any of them, and we are all tired of their act.
I am doing my best to make sure that no Republican wins an election.
Thank you for your time.

George Vreeland Hill